PANDEAN Diet?

[miss heather]

Has anyone heard of the PANDEAN Diet?
(PA= Pasteurized, NDE= Nutrient Dense, AN= All Natural)
There is a Doggy Deli near where I live, and they serve (actually SERVE to your dog, with a bowl of fresh water, inside the "deli") this food.
The owner says its basically raw, but that the process of pasteurization elimintaes any potentially dangerous bacteria and parasites from perishable food.
He swears it is the "evolution of the raw diet"

We are planning on going raw with Stella (just as soon as she gets used to regular meal times instead of the all-day-buffet which she had where she came from), and I'm just wondering what you all think about this variation.

[franp]

Has anyone heard of the PANDEAN Diet?
(PA= Pasteurized, NDE= Nutrient Dense, AN= All Natural)
There is a Doggy Deli near where I live, and they serve (actually SERVE to your dog, with a bowl of fresh water, inside the "deli") this food.
The owner says its basically raw, but that the process of pasteurization elimintaes any potentially dangerous bacteria and parasites from perishable food.
He swears it is the "evolution of the raw diet"

We are planning on going raw with Stella (just as soon as she gets used to regular meal times instead of the all-day-buffet which she had where she came from), and I'm just wondering what you all think about this variation.

This does not make sense to me.
Isn't pasteurization heating? And the act of heating is cooking ? Cooking is the opposite of raw..
Either food is raw or it is cooked; right?
Nope, I don't buy it .
fran

[gmacleod]

I wonder if it means they're pasteurising the meat? LOL

Fran's right, that definitely won't be raw. But it could be the equivalent of home-cooked. It would be interesting to know what's actually in it - and whether or not there are any preservatives there. If it is meat/ground bone/fruits/vegetables without artificial preservatives then it isn't going to be a "bad" thing to let your dog eat, and still substantially better than kibble with all it's grains. The main problem with grains is that it is an un-natural food source for dogs and very difficult for them to digest.

Since it's a deli, it also sounds as though it would be a once-in-a-while sort of thing rather than a way of feeding your dog on a daily basis. That being the case, I wouldn't be especially against it. I think a natural raw diet is better, but that doesn't make homecooked "bad". LOL - it's the same sort of decision as whether or not to give your kid a candy bar. Sure, an apple would be better for them, but as an occassional thing, candy isn't that bad ;)

[miss heather]

ok... so this is what the little pamphlet said that he gave me:

QUOTE:

The PANDEAN Diet
PA= Pasteurized, NDE= Nutrient Dense, AN= All Natural

The PANDEAN Principles. The Pasteurized Nutrient Dense All Natural Diet evolved from a broad spectrum of international research into improving existing pet food formulas. The leading-edge scientific veterinary community has embraced this natural-food-based approach, and it's widely approved of and very popular in Australia, New Zealand, and Sweden - and is gaining powerful support with both canine nutrition experts and concerned dog owners alike in North America.

Pasteurization. is a "gentle" means of eliminating bacteria and parasites from perishable food while still maintaining nutrient value and, in the case of animals, their ability to properly absorb the nutrients.

Nutrient Dense. Predicated upon the correct mixture of meat, vegetables, essential oils and vitamins to provide your dog with the exact balance of nutrition required for a long and healthy life. Formulated as a protein-rich, meat-intensive diet more suitable to the dog's digestive process.

All Natural. Only fresh meat, organs, vegetables and the required levels of fibre, vitamins and minerals are acceptable as ingredients. Absolutely no preservatives, no unnecessary additives (like artificial colouring), no glutens, sugars, digestive accelerants or soy are accepted in this diet.

END QUOTE.

For us this would (as you mentioned gmacleod) only be on occasion when we were visiting the deli, but you actually can also buy fresh "take-out" meals if you want to feed this diet to your pet on a regular basis.
We have yet to go raw (although we are planning on it), but we will be soon. I'm not seriously considering this "PANDEAN" route... I just thought it was interesting, and wondered what, if anything, the folks on here thought about it.

[Borgan]

Dogs seem to have a much higher tolerance for bacteria, which makes pasteurization seem kind of redundant..don'tchya think? I mean, they're eating things off the street and licking eachother's bums! Not to say you should buy them a green steak off the back of a truck, though.

[miss heather]

mmm.... green steak.
LOL :lol:

[gmacleod]

Heating meat or vegetables to 160 degrees for 30 minutes will most certainly cook it. LOL - you can do a steak in far less time than that, and at a far lower temperature ;) So I think we can accept it being cooked as fact.

Raw, I think, is still a better and more natural diet for a dog. And a healthy dog will have no trouble at all in dealing with the bacteria present in their food - that's what their short digestive tracts are designed for. And as a general sort of a thing, it is better for them not to eat sterilized diets. Just like people, too much "protection" from bacteria and germs can result in an inability to cope with it...

But back to this food. I think it looks fine as an occassional thing to feed to a dog. I'm not entirely convinced that it is grain-free because of their mention of both vegetables and "the required level of fibre" under "all natural". If it were grain-free, I'd expect the fact to be advertised. LOL - or perhaps I have too much of a suspicious mind when it comes to dog food.

In general, I would think that a diet like this is reasonably akin to homecooking. The one thing that would concern me with it though (if it were being fed full-time, not if it's an occassional thing), is that there does not appear to be any bone included. Dogs do need calcium in their diet, and a correct balance of calcium/phosphorous. They may be adding that, of course, but I don't see it from the info posted.

[Martina]

I'm just throwing this out, and it sure doesn't seem like this is going on, but perhaps they're irradiating the food as opposed to pastuerizing? And they don't talk about irradiating 'cause it's gotten such bad flack? Irradiating food wouldn't cook it. My brother, the electrical engineer (genius ;)) explained the process to me - but don't expect me to be able to repeat it to you!

[adora's mom]

Yum...green irradiated meat....

I think that's in the back of my fridge right now! :lol:

Ok, I have nothing of substance to add to this conversation :o

[Carolyn]

" Yum...green irradiated meat....

I think that's in the back of my fridge right now "

Lesley...your refrigerator and mine must be related. YUCK. Seems to me that you either feed raw or not....not something in between...but what do I know? Carolyn