Males VS Female & vise versa

[Lisa]

Hello All:

We’re expecting our new baby in early June and don’t yet know if we’re getting a girl or boy.
We’re wondering if anyone would like to comment on any Disposition and Personality differences they have experienced between their Male and Female Frenchies.

Looking forward to hearing what seasoned Frenchie owners have to say.

Thanks in advance …

[LinoD]

this is a great question...

looking forward to hearing everyone's response !

[Lisa]

I know - would people RESPOND already! HA! lololol :lol:

I will say that overall, Male English bullies tend to be more goodfy - real clowns and total sucks but do tend to be a little more scrappy.(more goofy, less sweet, (but still sweet) a little scrappy - tend to be more dominiat than the females)

Female English on the other hand can be rather moody but are, overall, the sweeter of the 2... (less goofy, more sweet)

Same for Frenchies?????????? :confused:

[quinnybear]

i can only speak from my own experiences with my two goofballs. rocky is VERY bonded to me.so i am hoping that annie will bond more to quinn but so far she is my little shadow also. rocky is more laid back and easy going. highly affectionate. he loves to snuggle and be pampered. annie is lovable too IF you can get her to hold still long enough ! she is more aggressive than him also. he's only barked a few times. she goes off at the slightest noise so now of course he thinks he has to also. at bedtime they both snuggle up next to me and go right to sleep . and rocky greets me at the door when i come in from work. and she has started joining in on that too. i love them both . maybe i am a little more partial to rocky but i make sure they each get the equal amount of attention. they both have their own personalities and they both keep everyone entertained and on their toes ! ;)

[sakirby]

i have MINIMAL experience since i have only had oscar for a couple of months. in that period though, i have met a lot of frenchies. we were at the park the other day with four girls. one was very aggressive. the other three were cool but, they seemed more interested in the other dogs than the humans whereas, the males that i have met (including oscar) seem to want to be around the humans as much as the dogs. the girls that i met also seems a bit more agressive and "moody" than the boys...kind of aloof. but, i don't think you can say that all girl frenchies are this way and all boys are another. i think it totally depends on your dog. for example, i was told that frenchies don't typically bark. and at the park, with the four other frenchies, not one of them did. in fact, two of the owners had never even heard their frenchies bark until they were 3 years old. BUT, oscar barks! like crazy. when he plays, when he wants attention, when i leave. so, although i have my opinion (and no judgement on the girls, i think i will get a girl frenchie next), i just think it depends on the individual dog, how you train it, and how you raise it. :D

[franp]

In tne canine world the female runs the pack; and in the Frenchie world IMO the girls are the more dominant.That is NOT to say they are not affectionate.
But if you ask people with more than one (and having both boys and girls) more often than not, they will tell you that the boys are easier.

There is a saying:"the word bitch was invented for frenchie girls". I do believe that . My Dari is the MOST stubborn dog .. She is fine with people, but there are dogs she just does not like.It seems to me that the females are like this more than the boys.

Most breeders I know will place 2 boys in one house, or a boy and a girl; but NOT 2 girls..You rarely hear of 2 boys getting into a fight; but 2 girls do.

If I had to do it over, I would get a boy. NO, I would not trade my Dari. But my next dog will be a boy.From what I have seen and heard from my friends and breeders I know; the boys are just so much more affectionate and easier.

[Lisa]

thanks everyone for your feedback - you've given me a good overall sense of what to expect.

That being said, i suppose the disposition of our new baby will, in the end, depend on many many things.

Here's to our new baby, whatever sex they may be ........

[franp]

Here in the Netherlands the policy is not to neuture males, only when there are behavioral or health issues. Here it is the other way around :D females are easier to keep, because unaltered males can be difficult when they meet other males in the park. There are far more males in shelters than females over here.

Roosje
Roosje,
I think that most of the dogs that come into rescue are males. And most of the dogs (regardless of sex) have to be neutered/spayed when they are surrendered.

That is my recollection.
fran

[franp]

They warn over here that when you spay a female that they can become more dominant because of the production of male hormones and males become more mellow because the hormones are no issue anymore. When you have a female with some behavior issues the advice is not to spay, because those issues can become worse.


Roosje
You know , sometimes I think that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

In America the theories are just the opposite. A neutered dog; no matter male or female is supposed to be calmer..

I wonder; are we talking about the same species? :confused:

Males do IMO become calmer with neutering.. But I do not think a female becomes more dominant with spaying.. A discussion with no answer..

[frenchiesmom]

Heaven knows I do not have enough experience with frenchies to say much here. However I will say of the 2 puppies I have which are now 12 weeks old. The female is far more dominant than the male. He is actually very calm and laid back, especially compared to her.

frenchiesmom

[Carolyn]

Hi all...late to respond as usual. As most of you know I have two...Abby is 3 1/2 and Ferris is 2 and I love them both to pieces. Have to agree...Ferris is a very laid back boy, a snuggler and we can take him anywhere... he is a dream. He has little interest in other dogs. His passion is soft toys with squeakers that he can promptly remove. He actually prefers stuffed toys sans the stuffing. Abby is my alpha girl. She is extremely active and lives to play. She is a total embarrassment in public...she yodels and shrieks when people ignore her OR if she sees a dog she doesn't like the looks of. I will say that she has toned down a bit the past year but of the two....Ferris is lower maintenance. If I could pick one sex over the other? Probably the male.

Carolyn

[EmD, MD]

Penny's best friend is a boy frenchie who is about the same age. My perception is that he's sweeter, more shy and more into people than she is. Penny is WAY into other dogs and is kind of aloof.

[Carolyn]

I do want to add that Abby has grown into our "peacemaker". Ferris and Ripley have the dominant male thing going on. They are ok outside but in the house Ripley tries desperately to hang on to his "top dog" positon and will stalk Ferris looking for a confrontation. I have witnessed my sweet Abigail position herself between these two and bop her paw onto Ferris' head to distract him. It is really amazing to see her do this. She loves them both and being the alpha....is able to make peace. Yes, I love the male Frenchies but I wouldn't trade Abby for a million $'s. She is very special, indeed. Carolyn

[adora's mom]

Since I have only one Frenchie girl, I can't comment specifically about Frenchie boys - but I can tell you in our house, Miss AdoraBull rules with one velvet glove and one iron paw :lol:

Beckham (non-Frenchie 1 yr old boy) is rather goofy, affectionate, and patient. He is also our self-appointed guard dog (who is scared of his own shadow - literally), he likes to challenge authority and can be relentless in his pursuit of fun.

Adora would love to be on my lap 24/7, she also loves to play, is confident and is friendly to other people. On the other hand she is somewhat moody and stubborn. She lets Beckham think he's the boss, but if he pushes her too far she will put him in his place. He's scared of her when she's mad!

I think that males and females of all species are similar :rolleyes:

[Lisa]

oh god this is KILLING ME ... I want one of EACH! :confused:

Well, it looks / sounds like the GENERAL consensus on the board is ...

MALES - more laid back
FEMALES - less so.


This leads me to initially believe a male might be better for us and match what we're looking for....(which is kind of what I suspected all along.)

[Lisa]

You know , sometimes I think that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

In America the theories are just the opposite. A neutered dog; no matter male or female is supposed to be calmer..

I wonder; are we talking about the same species? :confused:

Males do IMO become calmer with neutering.. But I do not think a female becomes more dominant with spaying.. A discussion with no answer..

I was just thinking the same thing ...truly perplexing! :confused:

[Lisa]

One correction ;)

Neutured males: more laid back :D

Roosje

indeed! :p

[sakirby]

lisa, you could always do what i did. get a boy first since they seem "easier." go through the tough stuff with him, housebreaking, obedience training, up through teething maybe, and then get a girl! :lol: that is what i am looking into doing. oscar is 4 months and he is awesome. he can be a terror but, you can tell he is a little pleaser. he already knows sit, stay, down, and he rarely has accidents in the house. i still have to go through teething with him, and then, when he is like 9 months old, i want to get a girl. then oscar can help with training the girl :) hehe. appicon

[Lisa]

Hi Everyone ...

Well, it looks like we MIGHT be getting a little BOY! appicon

I'm going to try to upload the pictures I have of the puppies right now and show everyone which one he is...

They are now 7 weeks - we pick him (or MAYBE her) at 13 weeks.

I'm BEYOND excited.....!!!!!!!!!

[adora's mom]

Congrats Lisa! I'll have to go look at the pictures right now :)

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[Lisa]

Pictures are pending approval ....
I think it's 24 hours and then they are posted.

[Carolyn]

Lisa...what a beautiful litter! :D When will you know which one will be yours??? I know you will be happy with either one. Love the face and ears on that girl and the boy is just as adorable. You must be sooooo excited!

Carolyn

[adora's mom]

Awww...they're both so cute! What a beautiful litter of pups too! What a hard choice.

Has the breeder told you anything about their personalities?

The girl looks a lot like my Adora with her white chin and dark coloring - they grow up too fast!

I'm sure you're very excited - can't wait to hear more about them :)

[Lisa]

Thanks everyone!
They are stunning I must admit!

We requested the most laid back, easy going, sucky love muffin of the litter... not alpha but not too reserved either....male or female, doesn't matter.

Our breeder narrowed it down to the 2 little ones pictured but seems to be favouring the male. It also doesn't hurt that he is the biggest of the litter (remember, we're former english owners so we tend to favour dogs a bit bigger) but honestly, it's the personality that means the most to us.

The only thing I'm a little concerned about is, we hope to add a male english to our family in a few years time and so we'd have to get a female frenchie.

Anyway, I'll keep everyone posted. We're hoping to bring him/her home in the next 2-4 weeks..... thanks for all your well wishes

Angelisa.

[franp]

This is so exciting!!!

Lisa, I have several friends with 2 boys; this combination seems to work as opposed to 2 females. So if the breeder says the boy is for you, I would not worry about getting another male in the future..

Counting the days with you..

fran

[Lisa]

I posted a shot of the entire litter so you can see them all.
Little suasages!

If I had a million dollars, they'd all be mine!
Could you imagine???????
6 baby frenchies at once ...... :eek:

Call me crazy but I bet it would be like heaven!!!!! :lol:

[clairelover]

We have two frenchies now and seriously I am obsessed with them, they are great. Although they do get into spats every once in awhile when there is food involved. But they seriously love each other so much. Now that our kids are nearly grown I would like to get another one. Am I crazy? or asking for trouble?

[MakiRoll]

Hi everyone! I have a 10 month old pied male frenchie and he is absolutely the best. I live in the city and go to work during the day. My parents who are retired visit him during the day while i am away and pamper him to death. I am considering getting another puppy, what is a good age to introduce a new puppy to the family? What is a good combination? (male & male or male & female? And what are your opinions on other breeds other than frenchies that would produce a healthy happy environment. These threads help me get through my work day, thanks!

[miserlou]

What has been shown in research is that bitches that are spayed are more likely to show what the researchers called ‘dominance aggression’ than those that have not been spayed. It is important to note that this trend was most significant when comparing groups of bitches spayed under six months of age that had already been showing aggression. This seems to be consistent with other claims that bitches that have been neutered can show masculinized behavior.

quote from:
http://www.petbehaviourcentre.com/us/us_articles/us_neutered.htm

This is also how I have understood it. I also come from a country (Finland) where neutering isn't an automatic (as it seems to be in the States) practice - and females in general are considered to be "easier". In many big breeds, that are considered as "demanding breeds", the breeders hardly ever sell a male puppy to a first time owner.

Friend of mine has, wait for this... 16 Frenchies! :eek: More than half of them females. I was asking him how the dynamics work in such a big group of Frenchies of different ages and sexes. He told me that he only has two females that don't much like each other, BUT have never had a fight. The males, he said, are more difficult. They get into fights easily with each others, and a couple of times he has had to place a male somewhere else from his house to return peace to the group. None (? 99% sure, have check this) of his Frenchies have been neutered.

Having said all that - females who take dislike to each other usually don't get over it. One fight between males may clear the order between them, whereas with females one fight may mean an end to them getting along - ever. And eventually more and more fights, until the only option left is to separate them in the house or to look for a new home for one of them.

Didn't I get carried away. :rolleyes: Anyway, this is my impression of how this thing in general goes.

[Martina]

As ya'll know, I've got three frenchies - 2 girls (14mo) and Tigger, my 5mo old boy. I got Gigi and Lola within a week of each other (at 12 & 14 wks) and NEVER have had a problem. They do (and this refers to miserlou's post) have frequent 'top dog' fights ... we had one last night :rolleyes: . This has, as I said, NEVER affected their relationship. And last night's fight was pretty bad (Lola's got a couple of new gashes this morning) - you could tell that they were angry. But, since I've seen this so often between my two, I could tell that it wouldn't escalate into something 'beyond.' Does that make sense? If someone only saw them during one of these fights, they'd think that they must be AWFUL together ... but they're not. They truly ADORE each other and are super-cute, sweet and wonderful together. It's just that sometimes Lola get a little too big for her britches ;)

And Tigger's so young that they mostly just ignore him - which he's NOT happy about :p

Personally, I think that it depends on the DOGS ... just like us humans, each dog has it's own personality. I was lucky that Gigi and Lola got along right away -- and I took them to make sure that they both liked Tigger.

My recommendation would be to have the dogs (regarless of gender) spend some time together if you can.

That's my two cents :p