New Member With New Puppy

[frenchiesmom]

Hi Everyone...I am a new mwmber here with a new 8 wk old frenchie, who I called simply "Frenchie" Thought it was as cute as anything. I have wanted one for ages, but have had a hard time finding a good breeder with a good rep. Anyway I was looking for a good forum to join, and learn more about this breed and this looked like it might be the one... appicon

Glad to be here

frenchiesmom

[paulabeans]

Welcome! You have definitely come to the right place - there is a lot of information on this board that I am sure you will find useful.

[adora's mom]

Welcome to the board and congrats on your new puppy!

Hope to see some pictures soon :)

[Linnysmommy]

Welcome to the board! I hope that you are able to learn everything that you need to know!

[quinnybear]

welcome ! but just wondering how you found a "good" breeder that would let a pup go at only 8 weeks old ! :confused:

[franp]

welcome ! but just wondering how you found a "good" breeder that would let a pup go at only 8 weeks old ! :confused:

Good question; I'd like to know that too.
fran

[sakirby]

that is a good question but, to be honest, she already has the puppy. a lot of people don't know that a puppy isn't supposed to leave a breeder at 8 weeks old. i searched for a long time for a breeder in PA and a lot of breeders around the country were letting their puppies go at 8 weeks. i don't know if it is "good" or "bad" but, i do know that she, and i, and a lot of people already have their puppies and that all we can do is provide the best homes for them possible. a lot of people don't have the info that is provided on this site before they get a puppy. so, they go with a breeder that they find, and trust, only to find that later, they may not have been the best breeder. it is a difficult process. one that i think requires alot of sensitivity.

[franp]

that is a good question but, to be honest, she already has the puppy. a lot of people don't know that a puppy isn't supposed to leave a breeder at 8 weeks old. i searched for a long time for a breeder in PA and a lot of breeders around the country were letting their puppies go at 8 weeks. i don't know if it is "good" or "bad" but, i do know that she, and i, and a lot of people already have their puppies and that all we can do is provide the best homes for them possible. a lot of people don't have the info that is provided on this site before they get a puppy. so, they go with a breeder that they find, and trust, only to find that later, they may not have been the best breeder. it is a difficult process. one that i think requires alot of sensitivity.
You are right.And the pup is here. :o

Enjoy and learn..

[frenchiesmom]

Thanks for the replies and the welcomes. They are all appreciated. I call this person a good breeder due to the fact that she has raised many show champions and the contacts I have had with some of her other clients swear by her. She has raised them for 20 years with very good results. So from what I learned she is indeed a good breeder in my opinion. I have had pugs for a big part of my life, and can tell you from experience that I could not have asked for any better results, and they left at 8 wks. So to a point I have to disagree with that statement. While you are not wrong in many ways, in others you are. Just my opinion. In any case it is not something I am going to worry about as she seems to be adjusting just fine and appears to be a very happy little puppy.

frnchiesmom

[franp]

Thanks for the replies and the welcomes. They are all appreciated. I call this person a good breeder due to the fact that she has raised many show champions and the contacts I have had with some of her other clients swear by her. She has raised them for 20 years with very good results. So from what I learned she is indeed a good breeder in my opinion. I have had pugs for a big part of my life, and can tell you from experience that I could not have asked for any better results, and they left at 8 wks. So to a point I have to disagree with that statement. While you are not wrong in many ways, in others you are. Just my opinion. In any case it is not something I am going to worry about as she seems to be adjusting just fine and appears to be a very happy little puppy.

frnchiesmom

Frenchiesmom,

I stand corrected. My post was in haste and not correct.There are more than one way to do things

Please excuse me.
fran

[quinnybear]

i guess everyone has their own opinion on things. i am a new puppy owner myself. i was a basket case and got NO sleep the night before our pup boarded the plane. i have lived in tacoma- seattle area my entire life. and have made several trips to the airport. but i missed four exits and had to turn around and go back ! :lol:. i was so nervous to open his crate. but there he was, safe and healthy, and absolutly beautiful. it was the first time i had actually seen a frenchie in the flesh.and the minute we got home and in the door, he was off and running, hoping like a rabbit around our cat. it was so comical.and next week our new little girl will be arriving and we'll be going through it all over again. so please dont take offense on the age thing. i was just giving my opinion and didnt expect everyone to get so darn defensive !enjoy your new pup :lol:

[franp]

Quinnybear; TWO puppies??!!

I had two puppies in the house this weekend; what a lunatic asylum! :lol: :D
it was fun, but not for me.

Bill brought in 2 show pups to go to thier forever homes; they stayed with me. Just walking 2 pups at one time was enough to give me a heart attack. Watching that they did not eat the tv cords or anything that they were not supposed to is a constant vigil..

But , when they were finally tired ( and we were exhausted) they were lying in our laps, they were like little angels.

You are (if my experience was an example) about to embark on a roller coaster :lol: Get sneakers ; bitter apple and lots of paper towels..

fran

[quinnybear]

fran , you got me in stitches ! :lol:. sometimes i am run ragged just keeping up with rocky. quinn is home all day. and i take over when i get home from work.and my two sixteen year old daughters do their share of playing with him. between the four of us we keep close tabs on him. sometimes he gets so wound up, he rips back and forth through the house like he thinks he's a greyhound. i,m hoping when the new pup comes ,she'll be able to put up with him. and hopefully they will play well together. we;ll have to watch them very close so he doesnt terrorize her like he does the cat !

[Carolyn]

Well, as usual, I am the last to chime in! Welcome to this site. I have two...Abby and Ferris. I enjoyed everyone's comments. When we got Abby....and then Ferris...we started buying paper towels by the case! :lol:
They are such pills when it comes to pottying...no denying that! Hope to hear "Frenchie" stories soon. appicon Carolyn

[frenchiesmom]

Hi everyone.. I wish to thank "everyone" for their comments, welcomes and responses. While I admit at first the comment to my statement on a "good breeder" was a little disconcerting, at the same time I don't entirely disagree and afterall isn't this what a good forum is supposed to be? The whole point is to get everyone's opinion, even though that opinion may not be exactly what we want to hear, it is the way it needs to be and what it takes to make good sound decisions. Be it about our precious furbabies or anything else, as long as a difference of opinion can be put in such a way as not to hurt the others feelings. Now while I was a little bit hurt, on the other hand I was not. No doubt older would no doubt be better. However in many areas, (such as where I am) french bulldogs are not very common and are hard to find to begin with. Due to the price of them, I cannot afford to have one shipped. I know because I checked into it. So I did the best I could for what I could afford. In this area their are many puppymills and so forth to be found, however while frenchie may ( in some people's opinions ) have come from one of these. I did the only thing I could to get a frenchie. I know I have tossed this around for a few years now, which is about how long I have wanted a dog of this breed. I am as much against puppymills as anyone. But tell me this. If it was the only chance you had to get one, and the breeder does have a very good rep, what would you do? Think about it

In any case I wish to thank (EVERYONE) for their (HONEST) opinion and responses. I do indeed feel I have found a good forum and am very happy to be here appicon appicon

frenchiesmom

[quinnybear]

hi frenchies mom, i am glad i didnt offend you as it wasnt my purpose. i like you am from a state where frenchies are not easy to find. i contacted a couple of the more well known kennels here and they both had very long waiting list. i wanted to get one before i died of old age ! :lol: . so i was forced to look at other states and pay shipping. we got lucky and recieved a very healthy pup. but i have no idea if he came from a puppymill or not. i only had the breeders word to go on.and since then i have heard both good and bad about them. all that matters now is he is healthy and happy and it sounds like your pup is too and thats what is most important. you will definatley enjoy him, imo theres not another breed out there like them. congrats again and enjoy ! appicon

[franp]

Hi everyone.. I wish to thank "everyone" for their comments, welcomes and responses. While I admit at first the comment to my statement on a "good breeder" was a little disconcerting, at the same time I don't entirely disagree and afterall isn't this what a good forum is supposed to be? The whole point is to get everyone's opinion, even though that opinion may not be exactly what we want to hear, it is the way it needs to be and what it takes to make good sound decisions. Be it about our precious furbabies or anything else, as long as a difference of opinion can be put in such a way as not to hurt the others feelings. Now while I was a little bit hurt, on the other hand I was not. No doubt older would no doubt be better. However in many areas, (such as where I am) french bulldogs are not very common and are hard to find to begin with. Due to the price of them, I cannot afford to have one shipped. I know because I checked into it. So I did the best I could for what I could afford. In this area their are many puppymills and so forth to be found, however while frenchie may ( in some people's opinions ) have come from one of these. I did the only thing I could to get a frenchie. I know I have tossed this around for a few years now, which is about how long I have wanted a dog of this breed. I am as much against puppymills as anyone. But tell me this. If it was the only chance you had to get one, and the breeder does have a very good rep, what would you do? Think about it

In any case I wish to thank (EVERYONE) for their (HONEST) opinion and responses. I do indeed feel I have found a good forum and am very happy to be here appicon appicon

frenchiesmom

Hi Frenchi'smom.

Let me give you my perspective (as a Rescue person ) to your very difficult question.

As everyone on this forum,once we learn what Puppymills are,I abhor them.In rescue we have the end results of the process. The old used up dogs;no longer able to profit the owner of the kennel.No longer of value as a stud or dam.No longer able to make money.

We took in one bitch from a kill shelther who still had milk in her teats. Angel was blind and deaf;yet still bred!And once her last litter was weaned, she was dumped at the shelter, with not so much as a look back.

Every time a pup is bought from a Puppymill,another bitch is bred and put in conditions so horrendous that you wonder how any human could do this.The sires are left in cages almost too small to move.Some die from lack of food.

These dogs are given NO medical care above the most rudimentary.Only what is needed to survive.And the people who sell them prey on people like US who love dogs...

What would I do??I could not allow these people to profit..

I am NOT judging, I am saying only WHAT I would do..
I have seen first hand what I am describing. We have rescued dogs from mills.

In the Netherlands REPUTABLE breeders allow pups to go younger than here. Your breeder has a good reputation; and you are capable of taking care of this pup. That is all that counts.

Thank you for allowing me to say why I feel what I do..

fran

[franp]

My answer in all of what I wrote :o

IF I felt strongly enough, after a visit to the breeder, that all was well, I would consider taking the pup. But it would REQUIRE a personal visit. And the dogs would have to be in the house;not in a kennel.The personalities of the adult dogs would play a large part in my final desicion as well.I also would want to talk to people with adult dogs from this breeder to see how they have matured, socially.

It still sits uneasily with me. But if/until I am in YOUR shoes I can not say what I would do.

The above factors play a large part..
fran

[frenchiesmom]

I think this topic is changing to one about puppymills, :confused: but in any case I agree with you completely. I to have seen the results of puppymills, or what I would call puppymills, and it is horrible. My point is that in my case for example. My breeder has never taken a dog to a shelter, nor will she breed one which is not fully capable of breeding healthwise. I have known her for quite some time. She always fines homes for her (retired ones) as he puts it, or just keeps them if unable to. She takes very good care of them medically in all ways, Her kennel is spotless and her dogs are happy and healthy (or as happy as a kennel dog can be that is) So while she may be considered by some as a puppymill, I don't, for the above mentioned reasons. :confused:

In the past I have been to kennels where dogs lived in conditions that would sicken anyone and those are the ones I would call puppymills. Unfortunately Missouri has quite a few of them, and I don't understand how usda lets them pass inspections, and quite frankly I blame them as much as anyone, for letting such conditions continue. I have had dogs all my life and love them to death. I know a lot about them and have even worked with a vet, so I am not a newbie to dogs by any means, just frenchies in particular, as they are rare in my part of the country. Pugs are a big thing here, and I have them also. But am much more knowledgable with them than frenchies. Anyway, not necesarily holding up for my breeder and CERTAINLY NOT puppymills. Just my thoughts on this particular breeder, and feel she deserves for me to say that her dogs (and puppies) are happy and healthy with a clean and safe environment to live in.

Just mt 2 cents worth, appicon

frenchiesmom

[franp]

Sorry, I realized AFTER I posted that I was getting away from the topic and then answered your question...

Thanks for redirecting..I was NOT trying to infer anything.

[frenchiesmom]

Sorry franp..I did not mean it that way..trust me..I realize now how it sounded but is not how it was meant..

frenchiesmom

[franp]

Sorry franp..I did not mean it that way..trust me..I realize now how it sounded but is not how it was meant..

frenchiesmom
Frenchiesmom,

We both got caught up in semantics! No problem..
By the way, Dari's great uncle is named Bulli; like Bulldog. similar to your Frenchi.