Has anyone heard of Olga Vilmis?

[MkTaraD]

Hi, Has anyone heard of this Russian breeder? From what I have found out so far she is a good one but I am so leary of sending money over seas. She has the cutest puppy that I really want. I am been looking for another Frenchie for a while now and she is just what I have been looking for. Any info would be very much appreciated! Thanks!

[franp]

Is there a reason you have not bought a dog from an American Breeder?

Let me give you a very frightening statistic; in the last month FBRN has taken in 8 dogs.ALL have been Russian.All have had temperment issues.

Dogs that are imported are taken from thier mothers TOO young. Theyare not socialized properly and as they get older are at a far greater risk of developing behavior problems than American bred dogs from REPUTABLE breeders.
NO REputable breeder allows a dog to go to its new home before it is 12-14 weeks of age.
Eastern European FBD have a totally different temperment than American dogs;much more terrier like. And this does not come out until they are about 16months.They are larger than American dog; longer and leggier. Generally different in appearance.
If you buy a dog from an overseas person;you will have NO support if you have questions or training problems. If there is a health problem you have NO recourse.
I urge you to think carefully. And while you are at it;go to www.frenchbulldogrescue.org.Read about importers and Piglet .
Do your homework...
Go to the Frenchbulldog club and find an American REPUTABLE breeder.Be patient and get a dog you will be happy with.

[MkTaraD]

This puppy is 16 weeks old. I know the reputation of some Russian breeders but there are also some top quality breeders there also.

[franp]

I am curious as to why you are not looking at a dog from a reputable American breeder?

[MkTaraD]

I HAVE looked at dogs her in the U.S. They were just not what I was looking for. This puppy looks alot nicer then many I have seen here. Once upon a time almost every breed was imported here so why is it so terrible to buy one from another country now? Are there not dogs that hold champion titles in more then one country? I am not saying that ALL imports are good. But, there are good breeders there and scumbag breeders there....just like there are here too. You can get a very fine dog somewhere else as long as you do your homework.

[Carolyn]

I am also curious why you would risk importing a dog from Russia when there are dogs available here from proven reputable breeders. How much is Olga asking for this pup and what kind of health guarantee does she offer if the pup is not healthy or dies, God forbid? I would encourage you to seek other Frenchie sites and ask the same question.....I think that you will be getting the same information that Fran just shared with you. Welcome to this site, by the way. You will find lots of good information here. Carolyn

[Carolyn]

You said that you have researched breeders here in the US and that their pups were not what you were looking for. I am curious about what exactly you ARE looking for. ??? I have to say that all Frenchie pups are cute...so what is it about these Russian dogs that make them cuter? Is is the coloring, comformation, pedigree or what? Carolyn

[franp]

I HAVE looked at dogs her in the U.S. They were just not what I was looking for. This puppy looks alot nicer then many I have seen here. Once upon a time almost every breed was imported here so why is it so terrible to buy one from another country now? Are there not dogs that hold champion titles in more then one country? I am not saying that ALL imports are good. But, there are good breeders there and scumbag breeders there....just like there are here too. You can get a very fine dog somewhere else as long as you do your homework.
Your comment intrigued me; it is only very recently that dogs have been imported to this country. Only with the advent of the jet plane. This is a recent phenomena. And really only since the openning up of the Eastern block.Glasnost is what allowed this to happen in addition to technology.
No my friend, once upon a time almost every breed was NOT imported.. Sorry to disagree.
Yes,there are champions in every country.And yes Russia has thier share,And I even know of BREEDERS who import dogs. But, it is breeders who do it and they bring them in to show and use in thier breeding programs IF they meet the standards.

Have you ever met an adult Russian FBD? One that is over 2?Seen the dog with a fully developed temperment?
Like Roosje said, howcome the ONLY dogs available on the internet for international shipping are from the Eastern block?

[MkTaraD]

I am not saying that I dont like American breeders. I think they have outstanding dogs. Just not the one that I ant that is all. If I am not breeding and by me having one Russian dog it is not going to 'ruin' the American French Bulldog. It is not going to make a difference in the breed at all. And yes, I have seen a Russian Frenchie and he was 4 yrs old. He looked no different then the American ones and had a very nice temperment as a matter of fact. I AM NOT SUPPORTING EVERYONE IMPORTING!!! I simply asked your opinion on ONE breeder. Yes, I KNOW all of the horror stories about Russian dogs. I was not even considering importing until I saw this one puppy that I was interested in and that is why I inquired about this ONE breeder, not on Russian dogs as a whole.

[franp]

What bothers me is breeders; ANY breeders who sell dogs without checking out the person who is buying the dog.Where the dog is going.and what is being done with the dog.
Is the purchasor a person who is nothing more than a puppy miller?Getting this dog to make money? Is it a good home?
How can a person selling a dog from Russia over the internet make that judgement?
When REPUTABLE breeders here in America sell a dog they ask for references. They do a home check ;or have someone they trust do it for them.They care where the pups go. And if later on, the dog needs to be rehomed, they take it back.Try sending the dog back to Russia...
Is Olga sending someone to check out your house. Did she ask for your Vet reference?Does she care as much about who you are as you do about her?
That is what bothers me about the import trade maybe more than the fact that a goodly portion of the dogs are bad tempered ; sickly and not at all to the breed standard.

If you look at pedigrees of dogs, you will see import pedigrees. From the Netherlands; France and England. And once in a very great while the Eastern block. Why? because the temperment of these dogs is NOT what is wanted in a pet in America.
But the people who are mass producing them, sell to every puppymiller and back yard breeder. and they are infiltrating the breed. And overrunning rescue.

So ,please , go ahead and buy your puppy.You asked, we have answered.

But know this;There are some excellent Russian breeders.They do NOT sell over the internet..

[jadorefrenchs]

I have to agree with franp. Some of the best bred dogs are in your own back yard(U.S.). Be selective, because you can. Try contacting parent clubs in your area, breeder referal, to find a repuable breeder.Good Luck!!

[MkTaraD]

I totally agree with everything that you all have said. I would MUCH rather buy from a breeder here. I have been lokking for months for a fawn with black mask female and havent had much luck. Then I see a really really cute and nice looking girl and she is just what I was looking for. The only problem was that she is in Russia and I am not comfortable with sending that kind of money overseas. I guess I will feel much more comfortable to just continue my search here. Thanks for all of the advice!
Tara

[Kelly+Manja]

hi tara
Sorry i don't know anything about the russian breeder you are inquiring into but I just wanted to say that when I was looking for my future frenchie companion, I too had an ideal in my mind and I thought It was going to be difficult to find the puppy that I had in my head. When I had a look at a few litters I didnt see any puppy that 'conformed' to my ideal (for me it was kind of a rolly polly, squarish, smallish looking dog) but yet I fell in love with Manja. I had seen his dad and thought that he was absolutely gorgeous, so I made my decision and went with manja. He's changed heaps in the 16 months that Ive had him and doesnt look at all like he did at 16 weeks! His head is more 'blocky' now and he's more wrinkly and cuddly and he was the runt, so he has remained small! (at one year he is the size of a cat) I guess Im saying you can look at the parents and the puppy at 16 weeks and kind of estimate how they will turn out, but really you never know.
Good luck and let us know what happens

[mc123]

Yes , I have a wonderful healthy frenchie from her with a great temperment and wonderful features. But like with anyhting else you must be careful and very inquisitive what and where you buy it. There are just as many if not more sly so called breeders here. I've looked on the internet and all over and I am surprised at what some people are posting for sale as show and or breed quality and as such asking much more than the puppies are worth. So just be careful and get it in writing.

[Carolyn]

My two cents. When I was looking for our first Frenchie, I had it in my head that I wanted a BMF female. I decided to look for healthy pups, didn't trust some "geat looking" American websites that had dozens of pups available (clue #1) so I ended up with Abby who is blk/white (this color is not showable...didn't care) who is the picture of health. I had the pick of only 2 girls....not dozens. We went back to buy a male....the breeder had only 1 available so we bought Ferris who is brindle, also healthy and gorgeous.

People ask here about Irina or Olga. I never know who they are talking about because I have seen several importers with that first name. Carolyn

[cholbrook7]

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Please refrain from promoting breeders here on this board

Roosje