Opposite

[Dame]

My pooch Lucy, is doing things opposite in re. to housetraining and we really don't know what to do. The other day we were outside for a few hours, as soon as we go back into the house she poops and pees. She has gotten into such a bad routine. My husband every morning sits outside with her for at least half an hour, and again as soon as she comes in she goes. We give her treats and cuddles when she does go outside and if we actually catch her inside, we reprimand her and put her outside. She even peed on our couch yesterday :eek: We really don't know what to do. I am a stay at home mum so am with her all day and she is 4 months on the 5th, and she is such a sweet dog, really easy going.. any ideas???

[Susan-n-Bijou]

Hmmmm....not sure on this one.

I know when I potty train, I always take the puppy outside on a leash. She only gets to go to her "spot" and I keep her on a short lead until the task is accomplished. The message is that she's there for business, not for pleasure. I use a verbal cue like "potty" or "go poop", then when she does, lots of praise. The praise is immediately after the potty.

Sometimes, I think we let puppies roam around the yard and they forget why they are there, too many fun distractions. Then they come inside and say, "oh yeah, I have to potty" and relieve themselves inside.

[Dame]

Hmmmm....not sure on this one.

I know when I potty train, I always take the puppy outside on a leash. She only gets to go to her "spot" and I keep her on a short lead until the task is accomplished. The message is that she's there for business, not for pleasure. I use a verbal cue like "potty" or "go poop", then when she does, lots of praise. The praise is immediately after the potty.

Sometimes, I think we let puppies roam around the yard and they forget why they are there, too many fun distractions. Then they come inside and say, "oh yeah, I have to potty" and relieve themselves inside.

That totally makes sense the only thing is that she is terrible on a lead, she goes nuts and almost strangles herself. Also we could be outside all day, ie. we were at a lake last week.. didn't come home until 5pm, she didn't go all day, then ran into the house and went poop. So strange

[franp]

First, you need to teach your dog how to walk on a leash...

Get the lightest puppy leash you can find...attach it to her collar and let her drag it around (under supervision.) to let her get used to the weight of the leash...When she is used to the feel of the leash you can start to walk her..

Her resisitance to going outside may be learned..She may have been in a situation that taught her to go inside..like in a crate where she was forced to urinate and defecate..hence learning that this was appropriate behavior..that she will have to unlearn..

The breeder may have kept her in less than desirable conditions..

Are you crate training her??

[lanakack]

I had a similiar problem. But my pup would do his business outside and no sooner when we came in, he'd go again. So I learned, I'd bring him in and within a few minutes I'd take him outside again.(He's peed on I think every Tufenkian and Haynes Robert Rug I own, the bed, hotel beds, etc. But he has never had an accident in the car, boat, crate or vacation home...go figure.) And everytime he'd do his business I'd make him feel like he won the noble peace prize At 5 months he has greatly improvedappicon all I can say is be patient, they do get it it just takes a while. But be consistant with whatever method of training you choose. Remember bull is in their name, bull headed that is.
Lana and JJ

[Dame]

First, you need to teach your dog how to walk on a leash...

Get the lightest puppy leash you can find...attach it to her collar and let her drag it around (under supervision.) to let her get used to the weight of the leash...When she is used to the feel of the leash you can start to walk her..

Her resisitance to going outside may be learned..She may have been in a situation that taught her to go inside..like in a crate where she was forced to urinate and defecate..hence learning that this was appropriate behavior..that she will have to unlearn..

The breeder may have kept her in less than desirable conditions..

Are you crate training her??

i see you have read my previous post of where she has come from.. in re. the crate. Actually she is fully crate trained, have no problem with that. But I definitely want to focus on her going on a leash.. the light leash idea is a great idea

[gmacleod]

Most puppies prefer to potty indoors ;) And if you think about it for a minute, that's quite understandable and logical: not only is it warm and comfortable (especially if it's raining out), but it is safe. When we try to train young pups to potty outside, we're actually going against every natural instinct they've got. Unlike adults, who wish to advertise and mark territory, for babies, pottying outside would just attract predators (in a natural/wild environment, that is). Therefore, all young puppies potty inside their den, where it is safe and their mother is available to clean it up (consume it).

In short, your pup is just doing what comes naturally to him. Unfortunately for him, you're not his mother, and not going to just clean it up without complaint LOL.

Anyway, like all pups, he will slowly learn to potty outdoors only - especially if you manage to eliminate the opportunities for him to go inside, and give him loads of excited praise for going outside. But you'll make life a lot easier for yourself if you use the knowledge you have to your advantage ;)

You *know* that he will need to eliminate every hour or so. And you also know without any shadow of doubt that if he doesn't potty when you take him out, he WILL potty within minutes of coming back inside. Sooo - any time you have to come back inside "empty handed", be ready to be scooting back outside a few minutes later. You *know* it is going to happen. So keep the pup on his leash, or otherwise right under your eagle eye (never more than a few feet away) after coming back in. When he gives any sign of being ready to go, or starts to pee - you're right there to scoop him up and rush him outside where you can proceed to praise him madly for pottying out there.

He'll understand eventually ;) But eliminating the opportunities for him to get it wrong will certainly speed the process up.

[Dame]

Gmacleod thank you so much for all your advice and encouragement. It is exactly what i needed to hear! appicon

[marycas]

Its been years since I had a pup(no FB-thats my next dog and with my 'critically ill' Westie doing so well, it may be years :))

But I wonder about these new pee pad things

I am a firm believer in 'pull ups' being the reason human toddlers are training at later and later ages-they are convenient for parents but not conducive to learning(and teh companies appear to be getting the hang of that with 'feel wet' liners)

Are you using pee pads? Just curious

Ive never had a pup pee on blankets, clothing or a bed-NEVER(cats are another story)And I hear that a lot on the board and was wondering if the absorbency of those things is somehow bringing up a whole other issue that simply wasnt there in teh days of peeing on newpaper where it ran all over their little feet?

I wouldnt hesitate to grab the little bugger AS he is peeing and cart him out the door. Yeah, it means a mess but I think they have got to associate the action with the praise and you havent managed to catch that yet the other way. It would be worth some major cleanups to make the point

BTW, thats how I trained my human boys and 2 of 3 were trained before age 2 ;)

[imogene]

It sounds like your doing everything right - with the crating. Being at home is going to really help her pick it up quickly. Belzie was okay with housebreaking - but until she was 6 months she would tear off and do her business in our bedroom, by my husbands side of the bed. The would also do the fake-out squat then come in and immediately pee. Some Frenchies never develop a tell - Belzie did when she was about 6 months - after that it was easy to anticipate when she had to go. We crate trained her, and we have no carpets which really helped. Sam is even worse - he learned that if he peed in his crate he got out - so it has taken me weeks to work him up to 4 hours of crate time - In the house I leave a light leash one him at all times (sometimes I tether him to me) so if I have to grab him to rush him out I can. Right now he will pee every hour to 1.5 hours unless he is in his crate. If I can't watch him - he's put into his crate. Until he has earned my trust that is the way it is going to stay. He has peed the couch, the floor, I had him on our bed for a millisecond before he decided it was a good place to go. His breeder was free feeding him and it took 2 weeks before his #2 got predictable. Now We feed him 2x a day so he poos 2-4 times a day depending on how he is feeling, but he hasn't pooped in the house since the first week we had him appicon

They might be slow but they do get it eventually. Belzie was 90% by 7.5 months, but then she is brilliant - I have no faith that Sam will pick it up that quickly:D

[Dame]

No i have never used pee pads, i just tried to regulate her feeding and watch her like a hawk. If I do see her in the midst of peeing or pooping I get her by the scruff and whip her outside with a scolding and she sometimes finishes her business. When she does do it outside, I alsways carry a treat, so she gets lots of praise, a treat and a cuddle. I always say the same words as well. She is getting the hang of it in other ways, ie. we don't want her on our furniture or couch, she has a couple of wonderful warm beds in the house, so she has a place to go. So using the word OFF, she is off instantly.. that is until we turn our back.. he he.. aaah pups!

But I am definitely going to try to leash thing around the house, i will go pick one up today. Thanks again for all your helpful words. My husband and I were going a bit mad at not knowing what to do.

[franp]

PATIENCE... that is the key word with these dogs.....;) Dari was 7 months when she finally GOT IT...

Oh, and one day I will have someone film me doing the "poop dance" and post it here.. On the streets of NY..dancing and in a high pitched voice telling her what a GOOD girl she was...You should have seen the looks I was getting..:lol:

In between, the day she jumped up on the Chaise and PEED on it in front of me...:mad: . that day, I thought she would NEVER be housebroken...or the day she peed on the cat's scratching post....GRRRRR...

As for a signal... how about a STARE???waking up to her looking into my eyes...:confused: at 5:30 in the morning.. That is the Frenchie mind meld...

One day, your pup will GET IT...really... and you will dance...appicon just remember.. PATIENCE...

[Dame]

Oh I have patience, i just didn't know if I was doing the right things. I realise she is a baby, hey i have 2 children under 4.. so i know all about pooping and peeing. I just was trying to figure the little frenchy out.. hopefully this will happen sooner than later! Thankfully though we have all hardwood and slate thruout the house, so it is not that hard to clean up. When i get the lead.. i believe good things will happen :D

[citygirl]

One of mine is almost 9 months old and she still would prefer to poop inside. Now that it's getting cooler outside and the windows are open, I have to restrain myself when I see her searching for her favorite indoor pooping spots from yelling out, "No Maddie, poop OUTSIDE!", lest the neighbors think I'm absolutely out of my mind. She knows she's supposed to go out and she knows what I'm saying to her because she makes a beeline for the back door when I catch her. She also goes through phases where she doesn't want to go down into the yard and would prefer to hang out on the deck instead. When I know she "has to go", I'll put a collar and leash on her and lead her down the ramp into the yard and walk her around until she does her business.

My last dog was a Dachshund and she was so easily housebroken that I don't think she had an indoor accident after about 12 weeks of age. She was so eager to please me that she would have never considered going in the house. However, my Maddie doesn't seem to care what I think :lol: -- she's going to do EVERYTHING her way (until I stop her, that is!). You're just experiencing normal Frenchie behavior. Hang in there and be consistent -- that's all you can do!

[gravy]

If she doesn't like being on a collar leash,
you might try a harness instead. My boy
has 2 harnesses made by puppia that he
absolutely loves. Everytime we bring it out
he jumps into the neck hole and we struggle
to buckle it as he squirms with delight.
Just a thought.
greg and franc

[el scrubbo]

Oh, and one day I will have someone film me doing the "poop dance" and post it here.. On the streets of NY..dancing and in a high pitched voice telling her what a GOOD girl she was...You should have seen the looks I was getting..

:lol: The breeder told us to make it into an event as if Roxy had graduated college, magnified by about 100 times! It's pretty funny when both of us are doing it right after she has gone potty.

how about a STARE???waking up to her looking into my eyes...:confused: at 5:30 in the morning.. That is the Frenchie mind meld...

Fran, we've never woken up to that (yet), but that really made me :lol: Beware the mind meld. :D

[lanakack]

[QUOTE=franp;24133]PATIENCE... that is the key word with these dogs.....;)
Oh, and one day I will have someone film me doing the "poop dance" and post it here.. On the streets of NY..dancing and in a high pitched voice telling her what a GOOD girl she was...You should have seen the looks I was getting..:lol:
:lol: :lol: I will pay money to see thatappicon And I know that stare...it's for us around 5:00 a.m For JJ its been about a week with no accidents and waiting at the door. So I think we're making progress:D
Lana and JJ